Janneke House for Salt Lake City Council

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Submitted by janneke on Mon, 2005-10-17 07:24.
  • Downtown Revitalization
    Over $500 million in public and private investment is underway in downtown Salt Lake City. Lets do it right!
  • Traffic Calming & Safety
  • Preservation of Open Space
    Once lost, lost forever. Let's preserve the North Salt Lake parcel of land located in Salt Lake City
  • Promote Equality for Everyone
    Equal treatment and equal benefits
  • Maintain Neighborhood Feeling
    Lets update out-dated zoning and design rules

10/21/2005
Link to article
Many Utahns favor gay-couple benefits

By Rebecca Walsh
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune

Some Salt Lake County politicians apparently are out of touch with their constituents when it comes to the question of providing medical benefits for the partners of gay public employees.
A recent poll found that nearly half of all Utahns and a majority of Salt Lake County residents support the idea.
Equality Utah, a gay-rights organization, commissioned Dan Jones & Associates to determine public sentiment after Salt Lake County Council members split along party lines this summer over a proposal to extend medical benefits to same-sex partners of county employees.
The poll found 47 percent of Utahns and 57 percent of Salt Lake County residents would support providing "basic health insurance benefits to long-term, committed partners of gay and lesbian employees."
The numbers directly refute arguments made by some Republican County Council members and state lawmakers who have used the majority vote for Utah's marriage amendment to try to squash proposals to provide government employees' same-sex partners with medical benefits.
Extending such basic benefits "is what's right and what's fair - and it's what the voters are in favor of," said Mike Thompson, Equality Utah director.
In July, County Councilwoman Jenny Wilson proposed offering health, dental and life insurance, as well as funeral leave, for unmarried domestic partners, gay or not. County analysts figured fewer than 100 employees would take advantage of such a plan, costing between $37,000 and $74,000. In the end, the nine-member council split on partisan lines.
At the time, Council Chairman Michael Jensen reminded his colleagues of the 2004 vote for Utah's marriage amendment. About 66 percent of Utahns approved Amendment 3, changing the state Constitution to block gay marriages.
"Maybe in 10 or 20 years, the county will be ready for this move," Jensen said at the time. "My sense is the valley spoke in November."
The Republican Council members followed up with a letter last month praising traditional marriage to Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson when he signed an executive order extending medical benefits to the gay partners of city workers.
Jensen could not be reached for comment Thursday.
But Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, one of the sponsors of the marriage amendment, discounts the credibility of the poll. He says the final majority vote for Amendment 3 is what matters.
"I question the validity of every poll, because it depends on how they ask the questions," Buttars said. "The vote is really what you look at."
Besides, Buttars figures the Salt Lake County results are skewed.
"Rocky has attracted the entire gay community to come and live in Salt Lake County," he said.
Dan Jones pollsters contacted 614 Utahns Aug. 11-16 for the survey. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent. Thompson released the poll two months later to allow debate over Anderson's order to die down, "so the value of these numbers could be seen and it wouldn't be lost in other discussions."
Wilson hopes her colleagues will pay attention to the results.
"To me, it's rather simple. It was a matter of whether or not it was the right and fair thing to do for our employees," Wilson said. "It does not surprise me that the public would be supportive of that. This is some tangible evidence that [the council] should take it seriously."
Women were more likely than men to support extending benefits - 50 percent compared with 43 percent. And just 32 percent of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who were polled - 66 percent of the poll's respondents - backed the idea, while 59 percent rejected it.
The poll found many Utah voters did not expect the marriage amendment to block the extension of medical benefits to gay workers. Of those polled, 77 percent thought Amendment 3 would "simply define marriage." Another 39 percent believed the constitutional change would "prevent civil unions." And 33 percent said they believed the amendment would prevent gay and lesbian couples from "having any basic benefits or rights, such as health insurance or hospital visitation."
The poll also revealed a disconnect between Utah's most populous county and surrounding communities. In Utah County, 37 percent of those polled support medical benefits for same-sex partners; 57 percent were opposed. And 35 percent of Davis County respondents backed the idea, with 52 percent against it.

Submitted by clifflyon on Fri, 2005-10-21 10:10.

Urban planning, open space, monster-homes- these are some of the issues discussed during the debate. Janneke was able to address them in a clear message, without losing herself in long sentences.
Do we want someone that actually knows that preserving the neighborhoods is a vital aspect of the city council, or do we want someone that talks and talks and talks and talks.........

Submitted by Franci on Wed, 2005-10-26 19:53.

When asked about his position on Iraq, said he would never be asked to take a position on the war as a councilperson. That is in fact NOT the case. He voted against a resolution asking Bush not to invade Iraq.

I found all this confusing. Janneke said she is against the war - clear, and not misleading.

I also noticed that Eric is focusing attention upon the non-partisan status of the race. He must be concerned about Janneke's ability to mobilize the Democrats. Even though 95% of issues the city council deals with are non-partisan, like Eric says, roads, curbs, lights, etc. occasionally there are issues where political/personal ideology plays a significant role. Issues like domestic partnership benefits, funding for the arts, privatization of services, and labor regulation come up all the time. Voters have a right to know what their city council person’s position is before the issues come up. Political party affiliation is not a fool proof way to determine this, but it is usually a decent way to determine if a candidate and a voter are on he same page ideologically. Besides, water/utilities, conservation, deregulation, corporate tax breaks, rate hikes, and public funding are very political issues that the city council deals with regularly.

There are some other things I noticed that I will blog about later. With only two more weeks to the election things are getting exciting!

Submitted by Jason on Wed, 2005-10-26 21:59.

I don't know. I think that some of the things Janneke said were okay, but Eric seemed to have a better mastery of the issues. I'm having a hard time deciding who I should vote for, and the debate did little to help make my decision easier.

Submitted by UTDemo on Fri, 2005-10-28 12:43.

Eric is very people-smart. And very nice indeed.

If it helps, here's an edited but exact transcript of the question: Do you support president Bush’s war in Iraq?

"Well here again, I think this is one of those non-partisan issues. Frankly a member of city council will never have to vote or otherwise, about president Bush’s war in Iraq."

“As far as my own personal opinion about president Bush’s war in Iraq. The city council worked very hard in early 2003 to look at a resolution against the war. ..."

"As for myself I think it was wise to go in as we did. That position, that I have, will never be relevant.” – Eric Jergenson at 2:30 p.m. last Thursday 10/26/2005

Phew - I get dizzy reading it.

“The city council did not pass a resolution on the Iraq war unfortunately. And personally, I to not agree with president Bush’s decision to go in.” – Janneke House, 2 minutes later

My Comments: (we will post the video this weekend)
For me this is the quintessential contrast, and reflects what has been happening since Bush started lying about Iraq. It divided the country between those who felt compelled to align themselves with the new Bush/Rove branding, and anyone who disagreed. that the war was bad, bad, bad.

And now we have otherwise good men, like Eric, having to apologize for “following the leader” because they chose the convenient, politically expedient route. But are not yet able to admit that their trust was betrayed. Eric’s mistake is that he doesn't think his constituency is quite there yet. Or at least he’s not willing to take that gamble.

My experience with church members as an "LDS-loving gentile", is that outside of the ward house, most are very well aware that Bush betrayed them. But that conversation is too risky directly after sacrament meeting.

It will take the next two election cycles before the pro-Bush crowd accepts that they must abandon the loyalty thing to stay in office in Utah. In other states, you are already seeing the “distancing.“

If you listen to the audio, you will hear Eric add, that he is not pleased about “the way we went in" and “the way it’s being conducted.”

Add to that the most criminal administration in history just coming to light. It will take a while for republicans to recover from what will turn out to be their worst fears.

But until we are out of Iraq, we need leaders who will stand firm on the BIG MISTAKE - like Rocky does, and Janneke - because it may take local leadership representing the people to apply the pressure that will be required to stop a bad mistake from getting worse.

Peace - Cliff

Submitted by clifflyon on Fri, 2005-10-28 22:53.

The WAR issue is a distracting argument. After answering Yes or No we still move on to 3rd district issues. Unfortunately, Eric Jergensen is slippery in his answers... after "appreciatin' ya" it is hard to figure out what he stands for. We know this, he is a conservative Republican... he's not leaning anywhere. Also the fact is, CRIME, TRAFFIC and MONSTER HOUSES have increased under Eric's watch. It is disingenuous to use these issues at election time and to be impotent the rest of the year.

Submitted by Michael (not verified) on Tue, 2005-11-01 01:17.

I can't remember the last time there's been a candidate in a Utah election that I didn't have to hold my nose to vote for. Wait, yes I do--it was Karen Shepherd. Everyone else has been a moderate to serious compromise, but I voted in order to avoid even more heinous candidates. Can Janneke run for Mayor next?

There are signs all up and down my Capitol Hill street for Janneke. I hope that, along with the solid endorsements I've seen on this site, are a good indication that she will prevail on Nov 8.

Janneke, you've got both votes at my house. All the neighbors I talk to are voting for you.

Best of luck.

Submitted by Kelli Frame (not verified) on Wed, 2005-10-26 19:54.

Last week's debate at the Hinckley Institute was covered in today's Chronicle. It was a fair coverage of the debate but kind of vague. It said that both Janneke and Eric are for preserving open spaces and for downtown revitalization but it failed to cover any of the details.

The article did mention that Janneke thinks that people should be aware that a predominantly Democratic district is being represented by a conservative Republican. It also says that Eric thinks that water is a non-partisan issue. To me this is either naive or disingenuous. Water, water rights, water regulation, taxes associated with water issues are all frequent partisan issues. But I can see why he would be afraid of his constituency actually knowing where his loyalties lie.

Submitted by Jason on Tue, 2005-11-01 13:26.


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